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Saraswati river - The Unanswered questions - Honest debate Peter Clift and Ritesh Arya


Saraswati never Died, as its channel still exists underground. Saraswati was seasonal is again a myth because of same logic ...These are big misconceptions about Saraswati.

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 Honest debate Peter Clift and  Ritesh Arya  on Saraswati River 
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  • Peter Clift When you write this up and get it through peer review then perhaps it might be seriously considered. Anyone can write a piece for a newspaper. No one doubts that climate change can occur naturally, such as the weakening of the monsoon after 4000 years ago that eliminated the Ghaggar-Hakra (Saraswati) but that is not what people are talking about when referring to recent anthropogenic driven climate change. The fact that people didn't cause the drying at 4 ka doesn't mean that they aren't causing the more recent warming. This is a poor line of logical reasoning
  • Ritesh Arya The fact is climate change is happening naturally ....No one doubts that give me one scientific evidence based on facts and supported by data on the ground and not based on assumptions that man has caused global warming... By propagating Man-made global warming we are not helping science and neither helping policymakers to make the right decision to fight the impacts of global warming so that our future generations can be safe to live in harmony with the warming process. Man made global warming is not the truth but an Inconvenient Truth
      • Peter Clift Most longer trends in climate are driven by solar insolation. After the maximum we usually see a trend to cooling again, as shown in the ice cores from Greenland for example or oxygen isotopes in marine cores. We reached that peak around 9000 years ago. Now we see a sharp increase in temperature coinciding with increasing CO2 that is clearly related to fossil fuel consumption. The CO2 is not a natural cycle. The warming is the opposite of the expected natural cycle.
      • Ritesh Arya CO2 has nothing to do with Climate Change...this is the biggest Myth
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    • Peter Clift Most longer trends in climate are driven by solar insolation. After the maximum, we usually see a trend to cooling again, as shown in the ice cores from Greenland for example or oxygen isotopes in marine cores. We reached that peak around 9000 years ago. Now we see a sharp increase in temperature coinciding with increasing CO2 that is clearly related to fossil fuel consumption. The CO2 is not a natural cycle. The warming is the opposite of the expected natural cycle.
    • Ritesh Arya CO2 has nothing to do with Climate Change...this is the biggest Myth
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  • Ritesh Arya Saraswati never dried for want of rainwater from the monsoon

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    • Peter Clift If you mean Ghaggar-Hakra when you say Saraswati then we know that it ceased flowing as the climate dried in the mid Holocene
    • Ritesh Arya i think there is some confusion,,, the reason of dried climate had no role to play in Saraswati drying there are established reports why it dried
    • Peter Clift Ritesh Arya and what are those reports? I can share the climate records with you. Do you thinking it’s just a coincidence that the river dried up as the monsoon weakened? Rivers do need rain after all
    • Ritesh Arya Peter Clift No they donot need
    • Ritesh Arya are those reports published in reviewed journals
    • Peter Clift Ritesh Arya Such as what? I asked you for the source of your information or are you just making stuff up you would like to believe? If not climate change then why would a river dry up? and no its not headwater capture
    • Peter Clift the reference for the drainage capture is - Clift, P.D., Carter, A., Giosan, L., Durcan, J., Tabrez, A.R., Alizai, A., Van Laningham, S., Duller, G.A.T., Macklin, M.G., Fuller, D.Q., Danish, M., 2012. U-Pb zircon dating evidence for a Pleistocene Sarasvati River and Capture of the Yamuna River. Geology, 40(3): 212-215. doi:10.1130/G32840.1.
    • Ritesh Arya Peter Clift I think you need to understand the basic thing about Himalayan rivers is they are not dependent on Rain
    • Ritesh Arya If you understand this then you will never again quote your above paper
    • Peter Clift Ritesh Arya While there is no doubt that melt water is an important source of supply to the rivers of the Himalaya, and especially the Indus, the fact remains that more than half the discharge comes from the summer monsoon rains. If the monsoon weakens then the discharge reduces unless this was made up for by faster melting. Temperatures have been pretty steady state in the last few thousand years while the changes in precipitation have been documented. The Ghaggar-Hakra is especially vulnerable to the monsoon because it drains the Lesser and Sub-Himalaya only and not the glaciated ranges anyway. I repeat my question. If it was not reducing rainfall that dried the Saraswati then what did? See - Boral, S., Sen, I.S., 2020. Tracing ‘Third Pole’ ice meltwater contribution to the Himalayan rivers using oxygen and hydrogen isotopes. Geochemical Perspectives Letters, 13: 48-53. doi:10.7185/geochemlet.2013.
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    • Ritesh Arya When we talk of river discharge for planning we study lean period discharge
    • Ritesh Arya That is important
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  • Saraswati Civilization: UNANSWERED QUESTIONS-Dr. Ritesh Arya
    Saraswati Civilization: UNANSWERED QUESTIONS-Dr. Ritesh Arya
    Saraswati Civilization: UNANSWERED QUESTIONS-Dr. Ritesh Arya

  • Ritesh Arya I hope this will clear your doubts
  • Ritesh Arya Saraswati could not have depend upon rainfall for its survival
  • Ritesh Arya the whole idea of linking rainfall to Saraswati drying up is based on assumptions and not on groundfacts and we do not accept them
    • Peter Clift Then tell me where the water is coming from. Not the glaciers in the case of the Ghaggar Hakra because the glacier fed-rivers had already moved to other courses before the end of flow. Even if they were connected how would get the Saraswati to stop flowing? Freeze more water in the glaciers? There is no evidence for glacial advance in the Mid Holocene that I am aware of
    • Ritesh Arya Peter Clift please try to see the video you will get answers
    • Peter Clift Ritesh Arya I watched the video. I could only digest the slides. My response is that the Ghaggar-Hakra drains the Lesser and Sub-Himalaya which were not glaciated at the LGM. The glaciers of the western Himalayas didn't extend much further than they do today (see for example Owen et al., 1997; Owen, 2009), certainly not over the Lesser Himalaya, unless you can provide me with a reference I am not aware oif. The Ghaggar-Hakra river hasn't been connected to a glaciated headwater since 10,000 year ago or probably much longer ago. The connection to the Yamuna was lost likely before 20 ka, quite possibly because of tectonics. The Sutlej has been its present location since no later than 10 ka. The Bandarpunch glacier feeds the Ganga, not the Ghaggar-Hakra. Your melting glacier hypothesis lacks a glacier source, lasting until ~4 ka
    • Ritesh Arya Peter Clift your concept is totally in air and all the works including yours are conceptually not correct and are based on very lame arguments which I will never be able to digest. I am sure your arguments are based on hypothetical imagination and not on the ground realities because if you happen to be in the Lesser Himalayas there are ample pieces of evidence of massive glaciated valleys .....I am sorry you missed those ...
    • Ritesh Arya May be after lockdown of CORONA is over I will upload some good videos of the glaciated sequence

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